Category: Bully Lies


Last week, Anne Rice did something awesome!  She did what authors, readers, bloggers, etc. should all be doing.  She banned the bullies from her FB page and deleted their comments.  Why?  Because they did what they do best — tried to bully her into removing her post speaking out against bullying and using our Nenia Campbell blog as an example:

AnnesPost

Once the bullies caught wind of her post, they descended upon her like a pack of wolves in sheep’s clothing pretending to be innocent and/or disinterested third parties.  As expected, they started in with their propaganda and lies, attempting to discourage her from speaking out and from using our post to do it.  They also began leaving Anne links to all their blog posts written two years ago, condemning us for publishing public information on our website.

The list of bullies banned from Anne’s page include: Autumn Turner, Jenny Trout, Cyndy Aleo, Kara Malinczak, Elyse Schramm, Flora Bellini, KarlynP and Amanda Welling.  They were banned for being disruptive and disingenuous as well as telling lies.  We know you’ve all seen their nonsense before, but we’ll still give you a few examples of what we mean.  Just for kicks.

You all remember Autumn Turner, right?  Well, check out what she had to say to Anne regarding her post.  Notice the implied threat at the beginning, “I won’t support your books if you support them”:

AutumnRealID

AutumnRealID1

Then, Athena jumped in to set the record straight and let Anne know about Autumn’s many internet identities and why she was labeled a bully on our blog:

AutumnRealID2

And those identities are:

Misanthropic Reader on Booklikes

Autumn H. on KDP

Misanthrope on Google Blogger

Autumn T. on Facebook

Wolf Surprise on Twitter

Dragon Wolf on Pinterest

Athena is right.  Autumn was also lying about our hosting company.  We left because we found their rules to be a little too strict.  And, we left on good terms:

Cancellation

Now, how did Anne respond to Autumn’s lies?  Well…

AnneToAutumn

AnneToAutumn2

See how Autumn calls us morons?  Nice, huh?  That’s right, Autumn, whenever you lose an argument, you should always resort to ad hominem attacks.  It works so well.  It doesn’t make you look childish at all.

So, after this, guess what happened!

*drumroll*

That’s right!

Autumn got banned!

:D

Our second example was posted by Nettie Neal Bell who tried to defend Edward Lorn by saying that we wrongly labeled him a bully.  You all remember Troll Edward from Once Upon A Time in the Land of BookLikes, right?  Well, fortunately Athena stepped in to disabuse everyone of Nettie’s silly notion:

EdwardLorn

EdwardLorn2

Finally, our last example is Jenny Trout and the load of lies she tried to feed Anne about how we put people in danger and published their private information, and how we don’t care about authors, how we shot babies and beat up the elderly, and yada yada yada, whatever lie she and her friends could think of to vilify us.  Oh and btw, the “well respected website” she refers to here is Jane Litte’s Dear Author.  *snort*  Guess she forgot to mention Jane’s attack on Nathan Bransford after he spoke out against the bullying on Goodreads (Nathan, too, had mentioned our blog and was attacked for it).  She also forgot to mention how Jane defended the violent reviewers who physically threatened Veronica Roth.

JennyLies

Oh, btw, we’ve never used content from Dear Author, so that’s another lie.  In fact, that’s a new one.  Haven’t seen that one before.

Anyway, this is what Anne had to say to Jenny:

AnneToJenny

And then guess what happened!

*drumroll*

That’s right!

Jenny got banned!

:D

So, in the end, how did Anne respond to all of this nonsense?  Well…

AnneOnSTGRB

AnneOnBullies

We should also mention that the majority of the comments on Anne’s post were overwhelmingly positive toward her message about the bullies and about STGRB, including this one:

GreatSite

Guess what, bullies!  Anne and her followers aren’t stupid.  They can see right through your bullshit and they know what you’re up to.  Unfortunately for you, your tactics are transparent and haven’t fooled anyone.

Now, how did the bullies react to getting banned?  Well… here was Jenny’s very mature reaction:

JennyTrout

The “Smart Bitches” whose self-description is only half right (and we’re not referring to the “smart” half), had this to say:

SBSarah

Uh… no, Sarah the Smart Bitch.  She doesn’t have a narrow view of book reviewing.  She just has an honest and honorable view of it, unlike you and the cretins you hang out with online.  She also knew Jenny’s “information” was a load of horse manure.

Now… Sarah the Smart Bitch, if you’re going to write a blog post, you should really publish the facts.  The facts are that we published public information on our blog.  We never published private information or addresses or phone numbers or anything of that nature, unlike some of your bully friends who’ve done that to several authors we know and who have also physically called and threatened them.  The fact is that we only published real names if they had previously been made public and publishing someone’s real name is not PII, nor is it illegal.  Publishing their real name in conjunction with their address, phone number, IP address, etc. is PII.  Yet you bullies seem to be missing this fact.  You seem to be having a problem getting your facts straight in general, don’t you?  And here we thought you were “smart bitches”.  Hmm…

Apparently not.

Furthermore, Sarah the Smart Bitch, we here at STGRB have a feeling that Anne doesn’t give a flying #$%! about what you or Jenny Trout or any of your bully friends have to say about her.  Anne Rice is a superstar.  And you?  Well… you’re not.  Anne has millions of readers and millions of followers who understand perfectly well the message she is trying to convey.  Why?  Because they’ve seen your lies and your drama and your bullying and they’ve had enough.  We’ve all had quite enough.

Anne is absolutely right.  You need to get out of the business of bullying and leave authors and other readers alone!

****************************************************************************

P.S. Hey, bullies!  Since you seem to like this cartoon so much, we’ll show it to you again as a reminder of what will keep happening to you when you act like jerks online:

ToTheDoor

We just received this from Anony Mous and thought it merited attention (for background information on this, read Melody’s Story).  Anyone see the hypocrisy in Kat’s stance?  Anony Mous describes it perfectly here:

AnonyMous

Her email is in reference to this:

SinnersAndSaints

KatKennedy1

If it has always been a possibility that Melody and Judyann were separate people, then maybe Steph shouldn’t have written the post in the first place.  Right?  We’re still waiting for an apology.

Which we know will never come.  This is typical behavior for Kat and Steph.

Athena also makes a great point about Kat in her comment here:

This is the second time I’ve heard of Kat not wanting to be part of the drama. The first time was during the GR Bully Meltdown when Cuddlebuggery went to war with Ridley and Jane Litte:
http://www.stopthegrbullies.com/2013/01/26/the-gr-bully-meltdown-part-ii/
But Kat quickly got over that and was soon blogging happily about her scandalous scandals.

It’s funny. Every time she’s put in an embarrassing situation, she claims she “doesn’t want any part of the drama”. *major eye roll* Yeah, Kat. Right.

Sorry, Kat, but everyone can see right through your righteous bs.

Nice try, though.

Okay, we already know what you’re thinking: “Which one?”  And you would be right.  There are so many, it’s hard to keep track of them all.  So, Kat, the infamous blogger (and one of our Biggest Offenders) whose known for twisting the truth, giving half the story, and even telling blatant lies just to smear other people’s reputations, has done it again.

(Note: we want to apologize.  We’ve been meaning to post about this for a while.  We just didn’t have the time.  We’re really sorry!)

Now, if any of you haven’t already noticed, Kat’s changed her Buzz Worthy News, Scandalous Scandals posts to what is now called Controversy or Controversies.  And not surprisingly, here are a couple examples (links) where you can see her smearing authors we know, who’ve been victims of the GR bullies abuse in the past: Lloyd Lofthouse and Jamie McGuire.  You have to scroll down a bit to read her smear campaign, but trust us, it’s there.  What’s interesting is what Kat says in regards to the headache Amazon’s erroneous email gave Jamie McGuire:

HilariousEnjoyment

You see, they were reveling in Jamie’s misery when all of this happened.  And why do they hate her so much?  Because she succeeded despite them.  She was one of the authors who was viciously attacked last year and yet her book still became a huge success.  Quite a slap in the face for the bullies.  Kudos to Jamie.

For more information, read Beautiful Blunder: Dear Author Strikes Again!

Anyhow, moving on to the post we wanted to address this time.  This one was regarding Eve Thomas and what happened to her back in May.  Here is Kat’s version of the story (try not to vomit):

Kat1

Kat2

Kat3

Kat4

Kat5

Kat’s right about only one thing here.  They do need to leave Eve alone.  And Darkwriter is John G., another well-known bully.

Now, if you read Kat’s entire post (and this is not the entire post), it makes it sound like some unknown reviewer, who has no history with Eve whatsoever, gave the book a bad review and Eve suddenly, out of nowhere, freaked out and contacted the police.

Doesn’t it make it sound like that?  And we all know that this is not the case.

What Kat fails to mention is that that review came from a person (Coaxial or All Hail Grimlock, a bookseller whose real name is Shoshana B.) who has been part of a gang (Angela and company) who have been harassing Eve for months.  There is a whole history there (of the attacks on Eve by these people) that Kat just conveniently ignores.

You see, everyone, it all started back in February when Eve tried to apologize for promoting her book on GR and was attacked for her apology.  Then Coaxial threatened to leave scathing reviews of her books without even reading them.  The bullies didn’t stop there.  They crossed the line when they contacted Eve’s charity to try and discredit her and then later began leaving all kinds of psychotic comments on her book page.

So, if Eve went a little crazy this time and freaked out, it was because of this.  It was because these bullies isolated her, cornered her, made her feel paranoid and alone, like an animal caught in a trap, being harried by its captors (just like what Kat did to Rebecca Hamilton and so many others).

So, what did Eve do?  She lashed out.  Then, the GR bullies (with their weapons of choice: the GR fora and their blogs) jumped in with another character assassination saying:

Oh, look, everyone!  This author freaked out over a bad review and contacted the police.  How crazy is that?!

We’ve seen this kind of thing happen to so many people.  It happens far too often and we’re getting sick of it.

Furthermore, Kat makes it sound from the GR email above that Eve was warned several times in the past before her account was deleted.  We know for a fact that she wasn’t and that her account being deleted from GR came totally from left field and had everything to do with what went down with Angela and the Asshat group.  It happened at the exact same time and Angela, being as paranoid as she is, was convinced Eve was behind the info leak that led to her conversation being posted in Asshats Will Be Asshats.  The fact is, Eve had NOTHING to do with that, but Angela was convinced it was her.  THIS is why Eve’s account was removed.  (For more information, see our posts Asshats Will Be Asshats and Something Rotten at the Core of GR).  So, you see, there was something very dirty with what went down that week and it wasn’t because of Eve’s behavior.

Now, we haven’t researched into the allegations claiming that Eve published a DV victims’ material in her book without their permission.  For all we know, this could be true or it could be completely fabricated.  In any case, it is irrelevant to what happened to her months ago and what happened to her just recently in May.  As far as the book itself is concerned, we won’t make any comment simply due to lack of knowledge, but we will say that how she was treated was wrong and unjust.  It makes us wonder, when all of this was going down, how come none of these self-righteous people (who think so highly of themselves and their “high morals”, i.e. Kat, Jenny T., etc.) reached out to Eve with love to try and understand why she was melting down?  If these people are really the good, pious people they think they are, how come they didn’t stop to help another human being who was obviously going through a crisis?

We’ll tell you why.  Because they are bullies.  Plain and simple.

Before we begin with our post today, we want to share with you a new development on GR.  Apparently, GR wants to know how customers rate them:

RateGROne of our visitors already filled out the form and had this to say:

I received a GR “survey” today and was happy to tell them my low opinion of their pathetic, anti-writer site.  They’ve done nothing less than create a stalking and trolling playground for sociopaths.  It’s beyond me what the point of all this mass hatred of writers is.  I don’t know if it is fueled by other authors, or just the usual conspiracy of dunces.

Anyway, it’s good to know you guys are here.  I think the best way to influence Goodreads is to stop using their site completely.  Those of us who do well with Amazon may want to see if we can influence things on that side of the great divide.  Beyond that, I think GR is a lost cause.

If any of our readers want to join in and let GR know what you think, just click on this link.  We’ve also posted a link to the survey on our sidebar.

Now, on to business…

In our last post, GR Silences Authors, Part 1, we showed you the story of an author who spoke out against the abuse on GR and was banned for it.  Now we want to show you the whiny feedback discussion started by MrsJoseph, one of the bullies on our BBG list.

As you read, please take note of a couple points.  One, everything these bullies accuse authors of doing (i.e. stalking and harassing, getting their friends to stalk and harass, etc.) is absolutely false.  We never see authors doing this.  But!  We’ve seen on countless occasions the bullies doing it not just to authors, but to anyone who stands against them.  Two, these dumb asses still seem to think the reaction to them is about negative reviews.  It’s not.  It’s about their vicious and ceaseless personal attacks against others.  This is a point they never seem to get.  Finally, we have honestly lost track of how many times we’ve caught the bullies in their pious hypocrisy, not to mention their incessant lying.  In the following discussion from the GR feedback forum, you will see this come out glaringly in their words:

Comments1

Comments2

Then Kara responds with this:

Kara

We’d like to draw your attention to where she says:

Blog posts on Goodreads that seek to harass or intimidate individual reviewers do violate our Terms of Service and the appropriate action will be taken.

Gosh, that’s funny, Kara, because that’s exactly what Angela did in her blog post here and yet strangely enough, nothing happened to her post or her account.

Oh, but wait!  That’s right!  I forgot.  She’s one of you, isn’t she?  So she can harass anyone she wants and get away with it.  Silly me.  I should have known.

Anyhow, back to the whiners:

Comments3

Comments4

Comments5

Comments6

Comments7

Comments8

Comments9

Now at this point, we would tell you why all of this whiny bullshit is so hypocritical, but we don’t have to because Annabeth took the words right out of our mouths:

Annabeth

Well said, Annabeth!

And then the whining continues.  Notice how Jim says something very insightful here.  Apparently, he gets it — there’s a reason these bullies end up on troll alert lists.

Comments10

Comments11

Oh no!  He said our name!  What are we going to do?  We’re supposed to be the blog that shall not be named!  :D

After this ultimate faux pas by Jim, the bullies truly go crazy.  Guess he really hit a nerve:

Comments12

Comments13

Comments14

STGRB is vile trash?  Why?  Because we tell the truth about you?

You notice the outright lies these people tell when our site is mentioned?  That we do all of this shit that we’ve never done (also referring to Lucy’s phantom phone caller).  This is their usual MO.  They’ve been trying to discredit our site ever since we started.  By this time, their lies have gotten old.

Finally, after the discussion degenerates into an I-hate-STGRB frenzy, Emily ends the conversation because it has become “unproductive”:

Emily

And that’s it!

Whiny, whiny, whiny bullies!  They will never grow up.

But in all seriousness, we believe that this is just the beginning to a bigger issue that we see evolving on GR.  That is the growing hatred of authors and the silencing of their voices when they try to speak out against the abuse and injustice that is done to them.

Wow!  Now I think we’ve seen it all… okay well maybe not, but this is pretty crazy.  This just shows to what lengths these people will go.  We were just tipped off to this thread where there is a screenshot of sock-puppets with our names leaving one-stars and derogatory shelving of Dougie Brimson’s book (these socks have since been deleted):

BullySockPuppets

Okay, it’s obvious this isn’t us and Dougie knows that as well, but this just proves that the real sock-puppeteers are the bullies themselves.  Ever wonder why the bullies are so quick to accuse others of sock-puppetry?  It’s the same reason why liars are the first to call other people liars.

Self-projection.

More Bully Lies

Just recently we’ve been informed by site visitors of several troll attacks on Amazon.  Athena asked me to let our readers know that we put our team on these privately and helped the authors involved.  We have been reporting the abuse that has been happening on the fora and on book review pages to the Amazon customer care team and luckily they have been responding.  So, that’s good news.  We will not be posting about these attacks in order to protect the authors and their books.  We want to thank those who contacted us to let us know about the attacks.  Well done.

Also just recently, we received this comment on our Who We Are page:

Hi,

I’d love an email contact for yourselves. We often publish bullying related articles and would like to share them with you from time to time. You may find them helpful, inspirational or wish to share these articles with your readers and followers.

Here is an example of a recent article we have just published:

http://www.healthline.com/health-news/children-those-who-exclude-also-get-hurt-030913

Kind Regards,

The Healthline Team

Athena contacted them to share some of our blog posts and our email.  They said that they wish to support our cause and occasionally forward helpful articles on the subject.  So, in the future, we will be working with Healthline, sharing their articles and helping them to combat bullying both online and off.

In other news, coming up in the next few weeks, we will be pubbing a confidential post that will be password protected due to its content.  Readers will have to contact Athena via email (stopthegrbullies@gmail.com) to get access to it.  We understand that this will be a bit of a hassle, but let’s just say that it’s really, REALLY important news and we want to keep it close hold.  For the time being.

Now!  Onto our post, More Bully Lies.  Back in July, we were too busy setting up our blog and reporting on the bullies’ bad behavior that we missed a few misguided articles written by authors who listened to the bullies and drew the wrong conclusions.  One of those articles was written by Terri Guiliano Long.

In this article, the author makes the mistake of assuming that the bullies were telling the truth and that we “out” reviewers by publishing their PII:

Lie1

This rumor is completely false.  We have never published this kind of information EVER.  You will never see a screenshot of us doing this because it never happened.

Now, here is the second lie presented on this article:

Lie2

The person who did this was Lucy.  Remember her?  The one that cyber-stalked an author and threatened to publish her PII.  If you don’t know what we’re talking about here, take a look at our post More Bully Reviews.  The simple fact is that Lucy lied.  No one called her.  And as Andrew Losowsky (HuffPo’s books editor) pointed out, when asked if she had contacted the police or if she had the number of the caller, she came up short.  She didn’t have the number and she didn’t contact the police.  There was also no one who could corroborate her story.  Why?  Because her story wasn’t true.

If you scroll down to the bottom of Terri’s post, she links to another article written by John Scalzi that also addresses our website: Bad Reviews: I Can Handle Them, and So Should You.

Now, we don’t even have to read Scalzi’s article to know that his premise is totally wrong.  Our site is not about fighting against bad reviews.  So, you got that wrong, John.  In a comment Athena posted on The GR Bully Culture in response to Sophie’s comment, she addresses this misconception about our site:

“Yes, not all indie writing is good, but neither is published work either–a fact which conveniently forgotten by those with poison pens. And many indie books have become literary masterpieces (e.g. Thoreau, Virginnia Wolf). So if you are being bullied, you are in good company!”

Beautiful words, Sophie!  I completely agree with you on the bias against indies in the book community as a whole.  It is unfair and I’m really hoping it will change someday.  I’m not an author but I have a lot of friends who are independent authors who suffer from this bias all the time and many of their books are just as good if not better than traditionally published works.

As for bullying, there are so many people who get confused as to what our site is really about.  We are about fighting against bullying.  Not against negative reviews, not against traditional publishing and not against readers/reviewers.  On our Who We Are page we say:

“The bullies are under the impression that any reaction to them is about critical reviews, using the argument that they have a right to express their opinions.  We are not here to fight against critical reviews.  That is not what our campaign is about.  It is about their bullying behaviour towards others which is becoming increasingly disturbing.  We are here to expose that.”

On our What Is A GR Bully page we also say:

“We do not consider honest, critical reviews of books to be bullying.  However, we do consider attacks on authors and other GR members to be bullying.  We also consider attacking an author’s book for revenge and/or rating and reviewing an author’s book without reading it first to be bullying behavior as well.”

What we are doing with our blog is calling attention to GR members who stalk, harass, and libel not just authors, but other readers as well.  These GR bullies are not just readers, either.  Many of them are authors.  And these bullies ARE the root of the problem.  Since we’ve started our blog, we’ve heard from hundreds of people that it has made a big difference.  A BIG difference.  Before our blog, abuse was rampant on GR.  Now, it’s not as bad.  Many of these people have retreated into private groups where people can’t see what they’re doing or saying, which for us is a good thing.  Much of their nonsense has disappeared from public view.  This is what we wanted.

Soon we will be re-publishing many of the old posts we have of bully attacks on authors.  In these posts, we show our readers how these authors were personally attacked and libeled by these GR members.  This is what we consider bullying.  Not negative reviews.  If you want to see what I mean, take a look at these posts:

http://www.stopthegrbullies.com/category/bully-attacks/

I hope what I’ve said here makes sense.  Let me know if you have any questions.

There is a HUGE difference between a bully review and a negative review (otherwise known as bad reviews, or critical or unfavorable reviews).  A negative review focuses on the book and addresses the issues the reader has with the BOOK.  A bully review usually uses profane language and always focuses on the AUTHOR.  See the difference?  Bully reviews are usually written as personal attacks on the author in order to deliberately cause damage to said author and his/her career.

Unfortunately, these bully reviewers don’t stop with just their reviews in their bullying behavior.  And when we talk about their bullying behavior, this is what we mean: cyber stalking, harassing, libeling, hacking into private accounts, personally attacking, threatening (click both here and here), leaving psychotic comments, contacting their charities, contacting their bosses, or people with which they have interviews or auditions.  The bullies have done all of these things.

So, Terri and John, we don’t mind if you want to publish articles that speak out against our blog and what we do with it.  But if you’re going to do that, we’d appreciate it if you’d get your facts straight.  And the facts are all here on our site.  The real facts.  The truth.  Not what the bullies have told you.  All you have to do is click a couple links on our site and take a look at the evidence for yourselves to see that you were and are completely and embarrassingly wrong about us and what we do.

Now, why have these misconceptions been spread around?  What have the bullies told them about us?  Well, all you have to do is take a look at our WOT page and there is a nice little nest of them and their reviews of our site (you’ll recognize a couple):

KarlynP

MineAlready

Nicolas

If anyone would like to go to WOT and set the record straight, feel free.  But it doesn’t really matter.  By this time, everyone knows that these people have been and always will be liars.

Now, what happens on GR, we found, is summed up quite nicely by Jon, a GR member who said:

SportOnGR

Now, which GR policy is Jon referring to here?  This one, that they NEVER enforce:

ContentRules

All of this is from a thread called Respect for Authors posted by C.J, another GR member.  If you go to the thread and read it, you’ll see that the bullies did what they do best and jumped in to hijack the thread and tell C.J. what a whiney, little, butthurt, turdbrain he is (I think they used those exact words, too. :))

And to end our post, here’s a nice little form KarlynP (one our most favorite bullies) left for him:

ButthurtReportForm

Juvenile?  Why, yes, indeed it is.  Karlyn must be so proud of herself.

Bully Lies

Below is a post we published on December 16, 2012, when a site visitor named Jen caught the bullies in an outright lie.  It was great.

****************************************************************************************************

Last post we said we had some screenshots of a site visitor, Jen, who caught the bullies in a lie.  In fact, she didn’t just catch them in one lie.  She caught them in several.  How did she do it?  She’s been monitoring some of the biggest offenders for a while (on and off GR ) and found a link to a blog post by J.A. Souders, author of Renegade and a bully sympathizer.  In the post, J.A. claims that STGRB considers honest criticism of a book to be bullying.  Lie #1.  Jen then proceeded to leave a comment pointing out the error.  Of course, when she did, the trolls swarmed in and attacked.  Then, she caught them in more lies.  Another of our site visitors, Goronwy, found the discussion thread and left this comment before we had a chance to blog about it:

I take it you guys have seen this?
http://torforge.wordpress.com/2012/12/10/crying-bully/#comments
Who owns this site and why do so many big-name bullies feel the need to jump in and comment?

The answer to her question is simple.  We’ve been posting the truth about these people ever since we started our blog and they don’t like their dirty laundry being hung out for everyone to see.  So what do they do?  They try to spread lies.  Here are some screenshots of the conversation:

Comment1

Comment2

Comment3

We’ll stop here for a second.  First of all, all three of these bullies were not put on our list because of what they claim.  They were put there because they either attacked an author or tried to spread lies about an author (which is exactly what they are doing here in these comments.)  So these are yet more lies.  Another lie these bullies try to spread is that certain authors are behind our website.  This is false.  We are not authors.  Also, we have never lied on this site.  If we make a mistake, we correct it, but we’ve never lied and in fact, we frequently provide screenshots and links to show people that what we are saying is true.  Jen points that out here:

Comment4

And then they continue to spew the same garbage:

Comment5

A couple points of order (to clear up some of these lies):

1) We’ve always published public information on our site.  That’s not a crime.  When we first started, a couple of our site visitors asked us to take some of the information down, so we did because they requested it.

2) Reading wolf calls the examples we give of bullying on our site “differences of opinion.”  So, you tell us, is libeling an author to ruin his career a difference of opinion (see Zoe Gets Busted)?  Is threatening to publish an author’s personal identifiable information online with malicious intent a difference of opinion (see More Bully Reviews)?  Is misrepresenting an author in a review a difference of opinion (see The Bullying of Simone Elkeles)?  Is chewing out a fourteen-year-old girl and telling her to “fuck off” a difference of opinion (See The BIggest Offenders)?  Is trying to deliberately ruin the career of an author just for fun a difference of opinion (see The Holy Terror)?  These are only a few examples.  There are many, many more.

3) Spy-like tactics?  So, in other words, what she’s saying is that posting public information we read on social networking sites like GR, Facebook, Twitter and then talking about it on our blog is considered spy like tactics.  But when they do it – and they do it all the time – it’s considered just plain blogging and is absolutely normal behavior.  You see the hypocrisy here?  The fact is, as we stated above, they don’t like anyone hanging out their dirty laundry for everyone to see.

Here is more of the conversation, where they try to pimp their pitiful .net site (at least now we know who is behind that site – hint: it’s not just one person, it’s all of them.):

Comment6Comment7Comment8Comment9For the full conversation, click the link above in Goronwy’s comment.  If you do read the full conversation, you will see that Jen’s last comment was deleted.  And replaced with Tor Forge’s comment here, where she closes the conversation:

Comment10

These bullies have stated that: 1) we consider honest criticism of books bullying, 2) we lie, 3) we are authors, 4) we publish people’s PII (see More Bully Reviews for what PII is) and put people in danger, 5) we use spy-like tactics, 6) we don’t know what bullying is, and finally 7) we are obsessed stalkers (did I miss any?)  All of these things are false.  If you want to know who the bullies, liars, and obsessed stalkers are, take a look at our sidebar.

To give you one last example of who the obsessed stalkers are, we’ll tell you about our recent experiment with our firewall.  Now, we’ve stated that the bullies are not allowed to comment on our comment boards.  We do this for obvious reasons.  If we left the commenting open, they would come in and do what they do best – hijack it and turn it into a wankfest.  To understand what we mean by that, just re-read this post, or better yet, just go to the link Goronwy gives and read the whole conversation.

Case in point.

We don’t want to do what Tor Forge had to and shut down every single conversation.  So… the bullies are not allowed here.  Period.  Because of that, they often try “comment in disguise”, that is, pretend to be sympathetic to what we’re saying and then proceed to start a bunch of shit.  I can spot them from a mile away, but the other moderators can’t.  Just recently, Athena had to ban a visitor because of this very thing and she’s gotten so fed up with them doing this that she asked Stitch to set up a firewall.  He did and now he’s (very cleverly) collecting the bullies’ IP addresses and placing them into the firewall.  So instead of being able to access our site, they get an error message.

Now, Stitch and Athena have been keeping an eye on the firewall stats and boy are they revealing!  First of all, the bullies have been hitting the wall hundreds of times a day and yet our site stats show the same amount of visitors, which disproves their theory that our site traffic comes from them.  Secondly, we’ve seen several IPs hit the wall at an alarming rate.  One hit it 40 times in a matter of a few hours and then another hit it 51 times in one hour.

51 times!!!!

Oh.  My.  God!!!!

Now… who are the obsessed stalkers?

Uh huh.  Yeah.  Thought so.

Okay, you’re all going to love this one!  Just recently best-selling indie author Jamie McGuire publishes a Facebook post saying:

JamiesPost1

JamiesPost2

Hmm, very strange that Amazon would do this and of course the bullies had to jump in on it and devour it whole, skewering Jamie in the process.  The rumor started was that Jamie had included song lyrics illegally in the self-pubbed version of Beautiful Disaster and that was why Amazon was encouraging refunds.

And who started this rumor?  None other than the llama of drama herself, our dear, sweet, lovely Jane Litte with the help of her twitter pals (i.e. katiebabs):

JaneTwitter

Then Jane goes and writes a post on Dear Author on it telling everyone it’s Jamie’s fault:

JanesPost

Litte is making two really big assumptions here.  One: that Jamie didn’t have permission to publish the lyrics.  And two: that Amazon offered a refund for the book because of a copyright violation.  Big mistake, Litte.

Even The Passive Voice picked up the news and unfortunately, there were some idiot commenters leaving shit like this:

David

Finally, Dawn cleared up the whole thing on PG’s blog:

Dawn

Here are the shots we got of comments left on Jamie’s post:

Mistake

Mistake2

So you see, Amazon made a mistake and the bullies jumped in and blamed the author.  Why?  Well, that’s an easy one.  Because Jamie is an awesome writer and because she also happens to be a best-seller who stuck up for herself and beat the bullies at their own game.  Add that to the fact that her book will more than likely become a movie (screenplay in process as we speak):

Movie

And the bullies just can’t stand it.  Any opportunity they can get to smear her reputation, they’ll take.  In fact, that really applies to any author they want to bully.  And let’s be honest, does it really surprise anyone?

**************************************************************************************

An addendum.  Found some more spot on comments by Jesse and Dawn on PG’s blog:

Dawn21

Jesse

Well, well.  It looks as if the bully crowd is trying to tell authors how to behave… AGAIN!  A couple days ago, we received this comment from Maya:

Well, since this site is always about how readers are so mean to authors on GR, maybe this thread will interest you; readers sharing stories of great interactions they had with authors on GR: http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1210998-dos-and-don-ts-for-gr-authors-blog-post. It’s the “other side”, so to speak. :)

To which Good Belle responds:

Are you fucking kidding me? Took me all of five seconds to get pissed off reading that thread. Who the hell are readers to tell authors how to/how not to behave?? And check boxes for authors before being ‘granted’ an GR account? Do we live in communist times? This ain’t Russia, China or North Korea – time for us to stop telling authors what they can and cannot do.

And Karig says:

All this does is confirm that places like Goodreads are (currently) useless for authors, particularly authors who aren’t already famous. The clique there (and at other places like the forums at Amazon) react with outrage if an author so much as mentions the name of his book (which is apparently considered “spamming”). Hell, some people there get seriously put out with you if you even mention that you **have** a book without saying what the title is.

I can understand that authors should avoid the “hard sell” and shouldn’t try to get the word out about their books by dumping blurbs and ad-speak onto a forum thread, but Heidi Belleau’s list of rules is offensive. She’s going to tell us that if you’re an author, you can’t talk to your fans unless they talk to you first, and that when that happens, you can talk about other people’s books but NOT your own? Give me a freaking break. Is an author a second-class citizen who needs to be reminded of her place? Is she supposed to shrug and accept lots of one-star reviews from people who haven’t read her books because somebody online with a chip on his shoulder thought she was getting uppity?

These rules are ridiculous, and they make places like Goodreads useless if not poison for writers just starting out and struggling to get fans in the first place.

And then Maya:

Well… you could also ask who the hell are authors to tell readers how to behave. I think everyone simply needs to behave with class and politeness, both authors and readers. I shared because an author wrote the article and I read some successful stories of reader/author interaction in there.

I must have missed the post where they wanted check boxes before allowing authors on GR.

Well, Maya, I think she was referring to this comment on the thread.  It’s right on the front page:CheckBox

Do you see the last sentence there?  That “some people” just like causing drama?  Of course, she’s referring to authors.  But we all know, by the evidence we’ve shown over and over again on our blog, that these “some people” are none other than the bullies we have named on our BBG page.

So, here it is again!  The bullies causing drama and then blaming authors for it.  It NEVER ends.

Now, the author Maya is referring to, who wrote the blog post, is Heidi B.  We’re not going to post what she wrote here.  We’d rather not soil our pretty new theme with her self-righteous excrement, but we do agree with her on one thing – don’t ever wrestle with pigs.  This is why we always tell everyone what we wrote on our Do’s and Don’t’s for Victims: DO NOT engage with the bullies.  They are nothing more than a herd of smelly, foul-mouthed swine who relish in dragging authors down into the mud that they live in and love so well.

What we fully disagree with is Heidi’s statement that recommends authors interact with their fans only if they engage them first.  This is just utterly ridiculous.  Karig is right.  Authors are not second class citizens.  They have a right to correct factual mistakes in reviews without being bullied by these assholes.  They have a right to be offended when they are personally attacked in a “book” review, that is actually an author review.  They also have a right to be annoyed when their books are attacked by an infestation of trolls who leave one-star flybys without even reading the books in the first place.  And yet it seems that all of this is allowed on GR and the moderators are just fine with it.  This is why we alert others (particularly new authors) as to whom and what they need to avoid.  Because their GR experience can actually be rather pleasant if they know the ropes and are warned in advance.

And speaking of warnings, here are couple Anons warning our readers about Heidi and her circle of friends:

The person (author) who wrote the so-called rules is not exactly the person anyone should be taking advice from. Just my observation from reading her on Twitter and various places online over the last year or so.

And then from Anon3:

That disclaimer by the person who started that thread, stating that she doesn’t know the author is a complete lie, and the author who wrote that blog post is best buds on Twitter with some of the worst bullies out there.

Anon3 is referring to this comment on the thread:

DontKnowThisAuthor

Anon3 is absolutely right.  Willaful (one of the BBG) is lying.  Check this out.  Recognize anyone?

Trolls11

If you didn’t recognize one of our Biggest Offenders, go here.

Or how about this shot?  Recognize any names?

Trolls211

Public enemy no. 1?  Hardly.  But Heidi is rolling in the mud with the pigs.  Does it give you the impression that she wrote the post for attention?  Hmm… *scratches chin*  More than likely.  What’s hilarious is the fact that these people are constantly writing up rules for authors.  Because, you see, they always end up breaking them.  For this reason, we’ll be keeping a particularly close eye on Heidi.  If she’s anything like her friends on Twitter, she’ll end just like Looney and her “code of honour”.

Everyone remember that?  You know, the code that she broke TWICE.  If anyone is missing our posts on that, showing how she made a complete ass of herself, don’t worry.  Within the next month, we’ll be re-pubbing them, so stay tuned…

It looks like the attack on Eve Thomas continues.  As we’ve said before, the bullies never stop.  They are constantly online (either on GR or Amazon) picking fights, trying to humiliate people, and wreaking havoc wherever they tread.  Pathetic, isn’t it?

In this post, due to popular demand, we’ll be showing you the screenshots we have of the verbal diarrhea spewed by the harassing miscreants known as the Amazon Fora Trolls, whose collective IQ happens to total that of a 12-year old child.  We hope no one loses any brain cells while reading.  In the process, we’ll also be publishing the responses of the normal people on the thread.  It’s not hard to tell which is which.  The bullies’ hypocritical and unjustified pontifications are glaringly obvious.

(Please note, we do have an Amazon troll award for the most psychotic comment, but that comes at the end, so keep reading!)

First the conversation starts out rather smoothly with Gillian, Katy, and Sharon showing their support for Eve and Eve responding:

GillAndKaty

EveAndKaty

SharonsComment

Then, the first Amazon troll appears (big surprise):

Coaxial

So Coaxial thinks she wasn’t bullying anyone or being nasty?  Maybe she forgot about the comment she left threatening Eve with nasty reviews.

But this gets better, because… *trumpets sound* we have another troll who appears on the scene and compares naming and shaming to domestic violence (we know, we know, you don’t have to tell us):

JanetNameandShameisDV

Then Sharon and Gillian step in to correct Janet’s unfortunate lack of understanding:

SharonResponseToJanet

Gillian1

This is when Eve’s rep steps in and takes over her account on GR to let them know an investigation is under way:

EvesRep1

And how do they respond to this?  Well, another Amazon troll moves in, HJ Leonard in this case, who doesn’t seem to understand that it’s Eve’s rep talking and not Eve.  Remember what we said about their collective IQ equaling that of a 12-year old?  This is what we mean:

HJ1

We find it funny that HJ doesn’t believe that 87 people contacted Eve to point her to our site.  It’s just proves their denial that they have enemies.  A lot of enemies.  HJ, if you only knew how many blog readers we get a day, you’d be surprised that that number was so low.  But by all means, keep making fools of yourselves.  Keep attacking people online and making enemies.  It’s such a productive way to spend your time, ya know?

And here are some more messages and warnings from Eve’s rep:

EvesRep2

EvesRep3

But they don’t seem to get the message, do they?  Because they keep coming.  Like we said, collective IQ of a 12-year old… wait, no, that would be insulting to all 12-year olds.  I take that back.  The collective IQ of a rock.  That’s better.

ZaharaSidebarofShame

As to the “Sidebar Of Shame”, Juno left this comment on our blog.  I just wanted to share it:

These bullies really are total hypocrites!!! The crap they have come out with over the last few days is laughable! If they could only see themselves the way we see them!!! It goes something like this:

BULLY – “STGRB is a terrible site, they stalk and harasses women!”

NORMAL PERSON – “Really? Where? Show me where STGRB do this? Hey Bully you are the one stalking and harassing women. Do you want to see the proof? See the screen shots above! You bully both authors and readers. You have destroyed many authors careers! YOU are the one dong these things!”

BULLY – “STRGB is mean, they hurt my feelings. BOO-HOO! They made a list of names including my name. They called this list Badly Behaving Goodreaders & Amazon Trolls. Listing peoples names is bullying! That makes STGRB bullies! My feelings are really hurt! Winge-whine!!!”

NORMAL PERSON – “Hey bully stop being such a cry baby! YOU have made a list of authors names on GR and Amazon, you have called your list Badly Behaving Authors. So in your own words that makes YOU a bully. These authors’ only crime was promoting their books, they didn’t bully or hurt anyone. Is it ok for YOU to make lists of peoples names??? But it is not ok for STGRB to make lists???”

BULLY – “A-HHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! *GROWL* You support THAT site! You are one of them! You are a woman hater! You are a child molester! I hate you! NOW!!! SEE WHAT YOU HAVE MADE ME SAY??? You have caught me out and now I must destroy you!!! I am going to email all my bully friends and get them on here to attack you!!! I’m going to log into all multiple troll accounts and I’ll attack you with ALL of them!!! I WILL MAKE YOU PAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

NORMAL PERSON – “Bully you are a whining hypocrite! I am going to ignore you from now on because I know exactly what you are up to!!! I rest my case!” :)

Okay, so, moving on.  Eve’s rep steps in again:

EvesRepToZahara

ZaharhaOnOutingPersonalInfo

Now… this is the good part, or I should say, one of the good parts.  The next two screenshots are of particular interest to us.  I almost choked when I read Zahara condemning doxxing.  Why?  Keep reading.

GillianBlockedZahara

ZaharaToGillian

Do you know why Gillian blocked Zahara?  Because we let Gillian know exactly who Zahara (aka Zahara Cerise) is.  You see, they’ve met before.  On Amazon.  Here is Zahara on Amazon revealing her identity to HJ Leonard:

ImZConGR

And guess what Anna Karenina did to Gillian?  She stalked her and dug up personal information about her.  Then she outed it to everyone on Amazon.  But that’s not all.  This gets better, or I should say, worse.  She then threatened Gillian with other, more private information that she had discovered.  We’re not at liberty to tell you what that is or show any screenshots.  If you want to know more, you can ask Gillian.  She has all the proof that Anna/Zahara did this.

Disgusting, isn’t it?

Here are a couple more comments from Eve’s rep to Anna/Zahara:

EvesRepToZahara2

EvesRepToZahara3

Now, we’re getting to the finale.  To the Amazon troll award for the most psychotic comment which goes to Mahala Burlingame!  First Mahala can’t understand why her comments are being removed even after Eve’s rep distinctly told the Amazon trolls that theirs would be.

MahalaAndPunked

And then Mahala leaves this:

MahalaToPunked38Loaded

Not just a little freaky, is it?

PunkedToMahala1

MahalaEvesRep

Then Mahala says she’s going to report Eve’s rep to GR:

MahalaInvestigateEvesRep

Then Katy says:

Katy

Then:

MahalaToKaty

You know, I think Mahala just likes to report people.  Makes her feel special and important.

Finally, Eve’s rep blocks her and that’s the end of it.

EvesRepMahalaBlocked

But… the award still goes to Mahala.  So, congratulations, Mahala!  You’ve just won our most psychotic comment award!  Good for you!  You must be so proud.

But really, in all seriousness, we hope that Eve is alright, that the investigation goes well, and that these jerks are held accountable for their actions.  If there’s anything we can do to help, we will.  And if people (and GR) can’t see by now how deranged and dangerous these trolls are, then there is no point in posting this stuff anymore.  It’s just getting ridiculous.

Get Adobe Flash player