Below is a post we published on December 16, 2012, when a site visitor named Jen caught the bullies in an outright lie. It was great.
Last post we said we had some screenshots of a site visitor, Jen, who caught the bullies in a lie. In fact, she didn’t just catch them in one lie. She caught them in several. How did she do it? She’s been monitoring some of the biggest offenders for a while (on and off GR ) and found a link to a blog post by J.A. Souders, author of Renegade and a bully sympathizer. In the post, J.A. claims that STGRB considers honest criticism of a book to be bullying. Lie #1. Jen then proceeded to leave a comment pointing out the error. Of course, when she did, the trolls swarmed in and attacked. Then, she caught them in more lies. Another of our site visitors, Goronwy, found the discussion thread and left this comment before we had a chance to blog about it:
I take it you guys have seen this?
Who owns this site and why do so many big-name bullies feel the need to jump in and comment?
The answer to her question is simple. We’ve been posting the truth about these people ever since we started our blog and they don’t like their dirty laundry being hung out for everyone to see. So what do they do? They try to spread lies. Here are some screenshots of the conversation:
We’ll stop here for a second. First of all, all three of these bullies were not put on our list because of what they claim. They were put there because they either attacked an author or tried to spread lies about an author (which is exactly what they are doing here in these comments.) So these are yet more lies. Another lie these bullies try to spread is that certain authors are behind our website. This is false. We are not authors. Also, we have never lied on this site. If we make a mistake, we correct it, but we’ve never lied and in fact, we frequently provide screenshots and links to show people that what we are saying is true. Jen points that out here:
And then they continue to spew the same garbage:
A couple points of order (to clear up some of these lies):
1) We’ve always published public information on our site. That’s not a crime. When we first started, a couple of our site visitors asked us to take some of the information down, so we did because they requested it.
2) Reading wolf calls the examples we give of bullying on our site “differences of opinion.” So, you tell us, is libeling an author to ruin his career a difference of opinion (see Zoe Gets Busted)? Is threatening to publish an author’s personal identifiable information online with malicious intent a difference of opinion (see More Bully Reviews)? Is misrepresenting an author in a review a difference of opinion (see The Bullying of Simone Elkeles)? Is chewing out a fourteen-year-old girl and telling her to “fuck off” a difference of opinion (See The BIggest Offenders)? Is trying to deliberately ruin the career of an author just for fun a difference of opinion (see The Holy Terror)? These are only a few examples. There are many, many more.
3) Spy-like tactics? So, in other words, what she’s saying is that posting public information we read on social networking sites like GR, Facebook, Twitter and then talking about it on our blog is considered spy like tactics. But when they do it – and they do it all the time – it’s considered just plain blogging and is absolutely normal behavior. You see the hypocrisy here? The fact is, as we stated above, they don’t like anyone hanging out their dirty laundry for everyone to see.
Here is more of the conversation, where they try to pimp their pitiful .net site (at least now we know who is behind that site – hint: it’s not just one person, it’s all of them.):
For the full conversation, click the link above in Goronwy’s comment. If you do read the full conversation, you will see that Jen’s last comment was deleted. And replaced with Tor Forge’s comment here, where she closes the conversation:
These bullies have stated that: 1) we consider honest criticism of books bullying, 2) we lie, 3) we are authors, 4) we publish people’s PII (see More Bully Reviews for what PII is) and put people in danger, 5) we use spy-like tactics, 6) we don’t know what bullying is, and finally 7) we are obsessed stalkers (did I miss any?) All of these things are false. If you want to know who the bullies, liars, and obsessed stalkers are, take a look at our sidebar.
To give you one last example of who the obsessed stalkers are, we’ll tell you about our recent experiment with our firewall. Now, we’ve stated that the bullies are not allowed to comment on our comment boards. We do this for obvious reasons. If we left the commenting open, they would come in and do what they do best – hijack it and turn it into a wankfest. To understand what we mean by that, just re-read this post, or better yet, just go to the link Goronwy gives and read the whole conversation.
Case in point.
We don’t want to do what Tor Forge had to and shut down every single conversation. So… the bullies are not allowed here. Period. Because of that, they often try “comment in disguise”, that is, pretend to be sympathetic to what we’re saying and then proceed to start a bunch of shit. I can spot them from a mile away, but the other moderators can’t. Just recently, Athena had to ban a visitor because of this very thing and she’s gotten so fed up with them doing this that she asked Stitch to set up a firewall. He did and now he’s (very cleverly) collecting the bullies’ IP addresses and placing them into the firewall. So instead of being able to access our site, they get an error message.
Now, Stitch and Athena have been keeping an eye on the firewall stats and boy are they revealing! First of all, the bullies have been hitting the wall hundreds of times a day and yet our site stats show the same amount of visitors, which disproves their theory that our site traffic comes from them. Secondly, we’ve seen several IPs hit the wall at an alarming rate. One hit it 40 times in a matter of a few hours and then another hit it 51 times in one hour.
Oh. My. God!!!!
Now… who are the obsessed stalkers?
Uh huh. Yeah. Thought so.